Interview with Ullrich Mies* by Nicolas Riedl (rubikon)
“That Russia intends to attack any country is the evil propaganda of the Western intelligence and communication complex. It is not Russia that has conquered the US continent or the EU with its military power, but NATO that is constricting Russia. A glance at the map is all it takes to expose the propaganda as a lie.”
cc. Ullrich Mies, entrepreneur and author, has published his new book “Der Tiefe Staat schlägt zu. Wie die westliche Welt Krisen erzeugt und Kriege vorbereitet (The Deep State strikes. How the Western World generates crises and paves the way for wars)”. It resumes the themes of his book “Fassadendemokratie und Tiefer Staat. Auf dem Weg in ein autoritäres Zeitalter (Façade Democracy and the Deep State. On the way to an authoritarian age)”, edited 2017 together with Jens Wernicke. In his new book writers have the say who deal above all with the dangers of war emanating from the Deep State.
Nicolas Riedl: What was it that motivated you after “Façade Democracy and the Deep State. On the way to an authoritarian age” to publish a new book?
Ullrich Mies: At the book launches in 2017, I noticed that we hit a crucial point with the title “Façade Democracy and the Deep State”. The audience consistently agreed with the statement that we are living in a façade democracy. The forces behind the deep state, however, were by no means clear to most people. The first book delivered an answer to this.
The new book “The Deep State strikes” is about explaining how the ruling elites managed to run the peace dividend of 1990 aground and how they managed to lead the world into a new pre-war level. I also take a much more comprehensive approach concerning the Deep State that is common. I refer to the Deep State as the hidden domain of the rulers. Some parts are visible, the essential parts are not. In this domain, the class struggle is organised top down. The actors of the Deep State are neither electable nor are they able to be voted out of office. They are the representatives of the market-radical model of Western capitalism. Here, the neoconservative ideologues play a decisive role. Deep state and neoconservativeplayerscannot be separated from each other.
The book “Facade Democracy and the Deep State” lacked the international perspective of the Deep State. In “The Deep State strikes. How the Western World Generates Crises and Paves the Way for Wars” I present a collection of contributions, the 16 authors show how the ruling western elites eroded the international order in a process lasting 25 years.
Which authors were you able to attract to contribute to the new book?
The following authors contributed to the volume in the same order as the table of contents: Rainer Rupp, Eugen Drewermann, Jochen Scholz, Hannes Hofbauer, Tilo Gräser, Annette Groth, Kees van der Pijl, Chris Hedges, Nicolas J.S. Davies, John Pilger, Ullrich Mies, Vladimir Kozin, Wolfgang Jung, Aktham Suliman, Mohssen Massarrat and Ernst Wolff. As you can see from the names, I was able to attract a number of foreign authors, especially from the USA. And with Vladimir P. Kozin there is also an important Russian expert who has been dealing with questions of armament and armament control for many decades.
What coherences would you like to convey to the readers of the book?
By analysing international political trends, the book aims to contribute to a better understanding of the current rejections in international politics. After reading the book, readers can better understand some political developments, especially the West’s relations with Russia. Above all, the propagandistic assertion of the West that the Crimean crisis was an arbitrary act of Russia is not correct. It was nothing else but the result of a 25-year process in which the NATO and the EU enlarged towards the East. The so-called foreign policy establishment of the West and its opinion forming industries deliberately embezzle the historical events that led to the quarrel with Russia.
But anyone who does not understand contemporary history as a chain of decisions and events and instead always takes only the end link of a long chain into account – such as the Crimean secession – will not understand anything at all. The ruling elites of the West are the decisive drivers of conflict and war in this world.
Many honourable politicians played a decisive role as architects in the common house of a peaceful, united Europe, after the fall of the Berlin Wall. Now their hair stands on end facing the Federal Government’s current policy on Russia. I do not deny that there were and still are honourable politicians. As a rule, however, you will not find these politicians in the leading committees today, rather mostly opportunists and corrupt apparatchiks who have joined forces with the financial and commercial powers. They do not care about the large population, the environment or world peace. One of these stages for Western conflict and war drivers to act is the Munich Security Conference. The writer Tilo Gräser focuses in his contribution on the conference of the year 2018.
Let us come back to the historically unique opportunity after 1989. The destruction of the so-called peace dividend after 1990/91 followed a script written by neoconservative cadres of the Deep State in the USA. After the system competition disappeared when the USSR collapsed, the neoconservatives in the USA had free rein, especially under President Bush junior. After an orientation phase they saw their chance to revitalise the total world domination of the USA, a concept that had existed for about 100 years.
After the experiences of the Cold War, how could the Western world once again fall back into a spiral of mistrust, armaments race and mutual deterrence?
How likely is an escalation between West and East?
The very basis of the upheavals on the international stage is the USA’s claim to dominate the world. The USA is defining the whole world, especially the Eurasian region, as area of its security interest. But it goes far beyond that. The US claim to dominate the world is underpinned by the ideology of “full-spectrum dominance” and now includes the three traditional branches of the armed forces, i.e. Army, Air Force and Navy, as well as other branches of weaponry, “space”, “cyberspace”, “information warfare” and total surveillance.
The admission of ever new countries into the NATO alliance also serves to expand the ideological and power sphere of the USA into the depths of the Eurasian region. From 1990 until today the transatlantic imperialists proceeded in several phases.
First there was an orientation phase of the alliance and a search for new assignments from 1990 to 1993, followed by the revitalisation of the US claim to world leadership, the preservation and strengthening of this dominance, and the consolidation of NATO expansion plans from 1994 to 1998. From 1999 to 2001, the first phase of aggression followed, specifically the Yugoslavian war, 9/11 and the “war on terror”, the war against Afghanistan, the first NATO expansion round with Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary. I call the period from 2002 to 2010 a second phase of aggression, the consolidation of the US claim to dominate the world, the termination of the ABM treaty, the wars against Iraq, Libya, Georgia, the two Nato enlargement rounds with Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovenia, Slovakia and then Albania and Croatia. I call the period from 2011 to 2013 a third phase of aggression, with the beginning of the Syrian war and the open hostility towards Russia. During these years, military manoeuvres and the deployment of heavy weapons close to the Russian border are taking place. In my view, the fourth phase of aggression begins in 2014 with the coup d’état in Ukraine, the escalation of the Syrian war, the propaganda, sanctions and economic war, the open hostility against Russia, the excessive military manoeuvres, the armament, the withdrawal from the Iranian nuclear treaty and the INF treaty. The fourth round of NATO enlargement to Montenegro in 2017 is also part of this.
In his contribution Nicolas S. Davies shows what trail of blood the US has left in its wars since 9/11. His result is: The wars waged by the USA since 2001 have caused the death of 5 to 7 million people.
In my view, neoconservative US foreign policy elites together with their transatlantically oriented vassals in Germany and important EU states have led people in countless countries - even in Europe - into this tragedy. Kees van der Pijl has made an interesting contribution about these coherences with the title: “The axis of evil – the US/Israel Neo Con-Connection”.
Sweden recently published a television series about an invasion of Norway by Russia. Is this all a coincidence or do you think that the people are being culturally aligned to a russophobic climate?
Franklin D. Roosevelt, US President from 1933 to 1945, has already said: “In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.”
In plain words: everything is on purpose. Norway, Sweden and Finland are of great importance for Nato strategists and for a potential war against Russia. The fact that two Nato general secretaries in a row are Scandinavians, Jens Stoltenberg and his predecessor Fogh Rasmussen, is also no coincidence. This serves to bind these countries to NATO.
The russophobic climate was and is always generated using all available propaganda techniques. Very important is the cultural and militaristic infiltration of the audience by films, TV series, advertisements, large posters and the like. These are the subtle techniques that do not fail to have an effect in the subconscious of the people. Thus the evil Russian is subliminally anchored in the consciousness of the people. Most people do not realise the perfidious techniques of power at all, because they cannot think as maliciously as the elites do. The russophobic climate is part of the establishment of the “Cold War 2.0”.
People in northern and eastern Germany experience the rearmament and relocation of heavy military equipment towards the east in everyday life, for example army trucks on the roads. The waggons loaded with tanks have now got priority over passenger traffic at “Deutsche Bahn” (German Railways). The EU wants to invest 6.5 billion euros to make the roads and rails to the east compatible to transport heavy tanks. Can you understand that former Eastern Bloc countries welcome these developments?
Certainly, there is still an aversion to everything Russian in the minds of people in the former Eastern Bloc countries. What is more decisive, however, in my view, is that the political elites in Eastern Europe have been mentally brought into line with an US-transatlantic view through long-term investments and various funding programmes, scholarships, research stays, connections and networks.
Germany plays a special role as a transit country for heavy weapons. It is also a nuclear weapons depot, logistics hub, location for roughly 40,000 US military personnel, control centre for the murderous drones deployed worldwide, location of Africom and Eucom. In the new book, Wolfgang Jung explains that Germany is above all becoming a theater of war. I find it extremely disturbing, if not insidious, that Germany’s so-called foreign policy establishment does not take these aspects into account.
Should it not be clear to every logically thinking citizen in the former Eastern bloc states that, from Russia’s point of view, it would be totally suicidal to attack one of these countries or even to absorb?
That Russia intends to attack any country is the evil propaganda of the Western intelligence and communication complex. It is not Russia that has conquered the US continent or the EU with its military power, but NATO that is constricting Russia. A glance at the map is all it takes to expose the propaganda as a lie.
Until 1977 there were plans to raze the USSR to the ground with 10,000 nuclear weapons. Does this spirit of insanity still exist today?
Of course, this insane spirit continues and the insane ones, to stay in the picture, have the power to turn their ideas into reality. Or do you think the peoples would be so crazy to threaten each other or the planet with nuclear extinction?
This evil spirit continues to exist. The USA wants to spend over 1,200 billion US dollars in the coming 30 years to establish a full-scale the nuclear terror capability. Sociopaths and psychopaths who get lost in eradication strategy games are a great danger for mankind. The population should never forget: The politically responsible for all this insanity are sitting in the governments. They squeeze out the people’s money through scaremongering and enemy stereotypes in order to invest into developing further these apparatuses of mass destruction. Vladimir P. Kozin informs about these coherences in his contribution “The New Cold War and the Planned Escalation of the Conflict USA/Europe versus Russia”. In order to understand the whole madness, I myself provided some aspects in my contribution “How the Western community of values established the Cold War 2.0”.
If the US empire, or rather the transatlantic elites, are interested in forcibly opening up Russia as a new market, is it completely irrational to make the desired land area uninhabitable for the next centuries through nuclear bombardment? Can you explain that?
Yes, these diabolical genocide drivers in the US military apparatuses and transatlantic think tanks believe that a limited nuclear war is indeed manageable, indeed even desirable under certain conditions, in order to pre-empt the enemy, to whom they always insinuate the worst intentions, with a preventive strike.
The maximum scandal is that even the ruling caste of Germany is now preparing or involved in the third attempt against Russia in the space of about 100 years. If the Berlin ruling cliques actually entered the war against Russia, many Germans would refuse to follow the attacking regime. I am sure of that. In my view, a war against Russia is only possible at the cost of a civil war. But who knows what developments will actually occur in such a case? The war of aggression against Russia is only to be waged at the cost of the complete peremtion of civil rights through the implementation of the state of emergency and thus at the cost of a possible civil and/or partisan war in one’s own country. •
Mies, Ullrich; Wernicke, Jens (ed.). Fassadendemokratie und Tiefer Staat. Auf dem Weg in ein autoritäres Zeitalter (Facade Democracy and Deep State. On the way to an authoritarian age). Vienna 2017
Mies, Ullrich (Ed.). Der Tiefe Staat schlägt zu: Wie die westliche Welt Krisen erzeugt und Kriege vorbereitet (The Deep State strikes. How the Western world generates crises and paves the way for wars). Vienna 2019
* The original version of this interview was published on 14 March 2019 on the rubikon website in German (www.rubikon.news/artikel/die-schatten-macht). Ullrich Mies shortened and revised the text for Current Concerns.
(Translation Current Concerns)
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