What becomes of Europe?

From a discussion between the Norwegian political scientist Glenn Diesen and the former US Army colonel and government adviser Douglas Macgregor

Glenn Diesen: […] The Europeans are talking about NATO, establishing a NATO without the US – a different NATO, that is – and at the same time, as you’re seeing the situation [in Ukraine] getting worse, the Europeans still appear to be escalating.
    That is, these massive drone programs they’re sending to Ukraine, seemingly allowing their territory to be used to strike Russia’s Baltic coast. And yeah, we now see that Russia is essentially warning that all of these factories producing all these drones are considered now legitimate targets. Where do you see all of this going? Because they seem – I don’t want to say, I’m wondering how to describe this best – there seems to be some massive, not panic, but delusion. I’m not sure what is a good word to describe what is happening in Europe now. But it’s, yes, there’s not much strategic thinking. It’s just this obsession with defeating Russia. Yet the weapons are drying up. Lack of capability seems to be compensated with more belligerent language and dismissing all the red lines. So where do you think this will take us?

Douglas Macgregor: Well, my perception is that the misrepresentation of Russia’s true intentions, which never had anything to do with conquering anybody anywhere, is going to vanish in an energy crisis that the current governments in Western Europe in particular can’t master. I think that’s the final straw. The globalist leaders who want to maintain this war against Russia will be unable to do so because they’ll be thrown out of office. I’m still surprised that we have not seen open revolution in places like Germany and Great Britain. I think we will in the future. The situation in England, Scotland, Ireland, and Wales is really bad. We’ve already seen the Irish come out into the streets. I think we’re going to see more of that.
    They [the protests in Ireland] may be the canary in the coal mine for the British Isles. I hope so. But the people that are running the show in Parliament are simply out of touch with reality. They recently refused licensing for more drilling in the North Sea, even though they know that the oil deposits there are enormous and the need for energy is overwhelming. But we’re still dealing with these people that live in this illusory world where wind and solar power are going to replace carbon-based energy. It’s not going to happen, not this way. I mean, perhaps at some point Tesla’s dream of harvesting energy from the atmosphere will work. But in the meantime, we have to use what we’ve got. We’ve got to survive on that. I think Europeans are concluding that. And I think in Germany, eventually you’re going to see a return to the status quo ante, which is these people that are running things are going to be gone, and they’re going to have to restart nuclear power plants. And they’re going to have, once they’ve thrown these people out, they’re going to have to come to terms with Moscow. And they should. Again, everything – all the abuse, the insults, and the lies hurled at Moscow – has to be fundamentally dismantled. It’s very hard to do when the media is controlled by these globalist governments. The media has not told the truth. They portrayed Ukraine as a sort of luminous group of patriots fighting desperately for their freedom. That’s a lot of nonsense. Ukrainians were built up for the purpose of attacking Russia by us. We encouraged this. We cultivated it.
    When I say “us”, I’m talking about us and the Europeans. NATO is finished – exactly what I thought would happen at the beginning of this crisis in January of 2022. And I said so. NATO is done. Europeans must find a way forward for themselves that makes sense. And I think eventually this will happen. I hope sooner rather than later, because President Putin has restrained the use of Russian military power. He’s held it back. He has everything he needs to finish this war decisively this year. There’s no question about that. He also has the means to flatten substantial areas in the Baltic states, in Germany, Poland, elsewhere – anywhere in Great Britain, for that matter – where they’re manufacturing these drones to be hurled against Russian infrastructure and against Russian citizens. He has sat on all of this. He has declined to do those things.
    He’s held the force back. The Russians want to do it. He doesn’t. I hope that European governments will outpace the Russian desire for action. I really do, because it would be disastrous for that war to unfold in Europe. And the Europeans today, they’ve lost their fear of war. They don’t understand just how bad it can be. And I think these governments, once they’re replaced, new people will come in and they’ll behave differently. And this man, Zelensky, and the corruption in that regime, its underpinnings, which are, you know, the worst imaginable criminality, they have to be revealed. The truth has to come out. •

Source: https://www.video-translations.org/transcripts/3738_Diesen_2026_04_21.pdf of 22 April 2026

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